hi, also some 3 cents

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on: July 13, 2020, 12:53:02 AM
Hi, I've been around before, at least a decade ago. It seems not much changed. I have some uncomfortable questions, so prepare. You will probably get angry, but these need to be answered. Please continue reading very calmly.

1. Whatever happened to nouveau and radeon drivers in AROS? They were there on Christmas 2010 and now I can only get ISOs with software rendering. We doing GL in CPU now like Carmack would have wanted? ;D
2. https://vmwaros.blogspot.com/p/64-bit.html here is says "it's now time to leverage Amiga(like) platforms to modern standards.". I have so many questions on this one. Like, how can anyone be 15 years late into making that statement?
3. Why are there still 3 ABIs? v1, v2 and nightly? What end does this fragmentation help achieve?
4. Why is networking still done entirely in CLI? One would think that a system intended for desktops would have a graphical tool to do that. Even Linux and FreeBSD realize there are desktop users among them. Myself included. Is AROS like half wishing it was TempleOS? A nice looking system yet without network support or at least obscured away behind system manuals and shell wizardry so that anyone trying for the first time will give up and assume it's just not there?
5. Why is Python criminally outdated? It's not even the recently EOL'd 2.7, it's 2.5. It's not even fully implemented, it breaks on platform.release() and probably other places.
6. Why does AROS use exotic filesystems found nowhere else in the world? This makes interfering with system contents and data recovery difficult. With Linux, FreeBSD, Windows and OSX at least you get to read half of the default filesystems these 4 use:
- Windows can read ext2-4 thus being able to read Linux stuff (2/4)
- OSX can read ext2-4 and NTFS (3/4) (not sure about reading UFS2 on OSX, never tried, but I hear there's a ZFS driver)
- BSD can read ext2-4 and NTFS (3/4) (not sure about reading HFS+ on BSD, never tried)
- Linux can read and write everywhere like a boss (4/4)

I keep coming back to AROS every now and then and I wish things were better. Don't take me wrong, this system really gives me hope, but the things I've listed give me the real "WHY IS IT LIKE THIS" moments.

edit: in the way of introduction, I like scrambled eggs with bacon and beans, and I really like messing with computers, hence my experience with a dozen or so systems. I hope that maybe one day I can include AROS in a feature matrix for my projects. But for that I would need a Jenkins slave to work on it.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2020, 01:21:04 AM by tiredofbs »


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Reply #1 on: July 13, 2020, 12:27:32 PM
I cannot answer many of your questions however, there are only 2 ABI's.  ABIv0(outdated) and ABIv1(current).


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Reply #2 on: July 13, 2020, 01:19:38 PM
aros is not windows, osx and even linux which have millions of developers :)

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Reply #3 on: July 13, 2020, 06:58:44 PM
Hmm, well... If you don't mind using archaic system with outdated and lacking software then you should be very happy like me.  ;D AROS would never be your typical OS, if you want something happen, do it yourself!

5. Contact author of Python port, he should help you.
6. Because this is part of Amiga legacy, perhaps? Maybe because porting SFS was faster and easier solution?
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Reply #4 on: July 13, 2020, 09:06:01 PM
Most of this can be explained quite easily, there are more users interested in AROS then there are developers wanting to further develop it. Developers will work on what they are interested inn, which means some things will linger until someone is interested in working on it. That is the nature of open source with no money involved (unless someone opens a bounty).