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K.O.R.B.A.N.

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on: July 09, 2020, 03:11:56 PM
Hi folks.

Long time listener, first time caller.

Thought I should say hello.

Long time Amiga fan, and have been quietly watching AROS from the sidelines for over a decade now. Occasionally I've had a look at its progress and have always enjoyed it, but never found the time to delve deeper.
Finally realized I need to make time, it wont just fall into my lap, so I  took the plunge.

Im very interested in getting involved in doing some work on AROS, so be prepared to be inundated with questions over the next little while.
In particular the idea of updating things like gallium, drivers, and so on are appealing to me. In specific applying any diffs that may be available without major rewriting of code. Initially at least until I get more familiar with the build process, and AROS sources in general. Something that is both practical, but good for learning in a nutshell.




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Reply #1 on: July 09, 2020, 05:28:17 PM
Hello and welcome

devs who care about aros are on slack to discuss, they are currently working on the 64 bit and m68k version abiv1, I don't know what status the jobs are in, however for the first version mentioned the support software is missing which is already supplied in aros abiv0 i386 no longer maintained, but fully functional, I am a common user who enjoys using this system but sometimes I ask myself questions perhaps like everyone like "what will be the fate of aros", in addition to that on the screen I see this version working effort of long years of programming, and it is fun, however, at the moment there is no substitute, however some parts of it will no longer be updated such as "gallium", there are many games brought from the world of linux and are of great impact I can count about 70 of them in my system.
Deadwood will continue the maintenance program of abiv0 but this concerns the incomplete parts of the os that will take place in the course of time like zune for example and "Gallium" is not included.
There is another important node I was talking about with other users these days and it is the browser that over time becomes increasingly obsolete.

See you soon

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Reply #2 on: July 09, 2020, 05:39:35 PM
here are some projects to which you can contribute

https://www.power2people.org/projects/

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Reply #3 on: July 09, 2020, 05:44:37 PM
in this link and how to compile for abiv0 i386 under linux

https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=573.0

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Reply #4 on: July 09, 2020, 06:27:41 PM
Thanks.

The browser isn't a problem for me. A computer or OS does  a lot more than webbrowse. If that's all a person wants to do then aros, or anything amiga related is the wrong choice of system. The same is true for amiga os and morphos. All Amiga based systems will be constantly struggling to have anything close to a current webbrowser. Once every few years something happens, but its never long before its outdated. Even the current morphos browser in development will be obsolete from day one. Its hardware is just too slow for modern browsing, its big endian. No dynamic javascript compiler is also a show stopper for a lot of content. Its a dead end.

As someone who still happily uses ibrowse, voyager and aweb, odysey seems very, very usable for what I want.

As for "the fate" of AROS, it is what it is, and that's an alternative OS with few developers. Exactly like AmigaOS and MorphOS.
As someone who has a morphos machine, an os4 machine and a real Amiga I cant understand this negativity towards AROS. Its just as usable as AmigaOS and MorphOS. MorphOS being so advanced is nothing but fanbois being loud. All 3 systems trade blows in what they can do.

Are you aware how harmful this sort of resignation is by the way?
When people spend their free time developing for free, only to read constant negativity and resignation it can turn them off.
Im already wondering if its worthwhile if this is the attitude given towards someone who introduces themself wanting to contribute.

p.s. I apologize if I've misunderstood, but as far as I can tell you've responded negatively, questioning the point of AROS, and discouraging me about things I specifically mentioned I'd like to work on.
Surely a person can understand why that's discouraging if that is indeed the case?
« Last Edit: July 09, 2020, 06:34:31 PM by K.O.R.B.A.N. »



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Reply #5 on: July 09, 2020, 07:35:23 PM
Welcome to AROS  ;D. I've always maintained it is a perfectly usable system, in fact I use it for my daily professional work (teaching) as well as leisure, but it seems every time you say such a thing (particularly on AW.net) a myriad of posts appear shouting that AROS, or indeed any Amigaoid system, are pointless for anything other than hobby tinkering or a nostalgia hit. Now that's depressing, especially when there have been many times during my lockdown online work when I've been getting on with very productive activities on my AROS box whilst the work Windows 10 laptop next to it has been sitting, twirling its little blue circle and complaining 'xxx is not responding' for minutes on end...

I agree the browser is not the be-all and end-all of a system, but I do think a competent (but not necessarily cutting edge) browser is essential if a system is to be anything other than just a passtime, even if it's just to make use of Google Docs or Office 365. Sure, Amigaoid browsers will always be behind the curve in terms of the latest developments, but if it could at least keep pace with Apple's browser then most sites should still be useable. As to hardware, yes we definitely could do with access to more modern systems. AROS was in a much better postion than the other camps a few years ago, with drivers for the systems of the day, but these have now dated, the world has moved on and we too are left hunting for old, compatible hardware to run on, especially if you want a laptop. Personally, I still think the ideal would be the RPi, but I appreciate being a closed system it's no easy task  to port to.

Anyway, I for one still think there's a useful and productive, if rather niche, future for Amiga-heritage systems, and hope to keep using them in one form or another for many years to come.

Cheers,
Nigel.




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Reply #6 on: July 09, 2020, 08:11:34 PM
I don't think I said something harmful, maybe you got it wrong or you are a google translator, maybe you refer to the fact when I said about the fate of aros, it was not a counterproductive thing, I have been using the main aros system for years (many), if I am a little lucky I produce software for it for free at my expense by contacting some programmer willing to try new projects, then I have owned both OS4 and MorphOS, and I never went to war in other forums, this is the system that I like more to use and that's it and aros i386 abiv0 is a reality born many years ago and it works well even if you have to have dedicated hardware, as far as the browser question was a hint, and I think it is essential in a system operational, I am not complaining because I have to visit a few forums, anyway webkit always keeps up with other engines, odyssey is the confirmation

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Reply #7 on: July 12, 2020, 08:40:28 AM
Hellow and Welcome,

If you have questions about compiling and developing AROS or for AROS, let me know.



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Reply #8 on: July 14, 2020, 03:47:08 PM
HI and Welcome to Planet AROS. :)

Lets Build Not Destroy...


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Reply #9 on: July 14, 2020, 04:58:05 PM
Welcome to AROS!