TinyAros Distibution Thread

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Reply #45 on: February 18, 2021, 09:53:16 PM
salvo

You do good work! It looks great.

I started a minimalist version of AROS 68k for myself.

I called it "AROS Vanilla" with an ice cream cone background.  :)



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Reply #46 on: February 18, 2021, 11:53:19 PM
Hello I agree your Distro but I can not load it on my 6 x86 Pcs... Is it only for VirtualBox?

I burned lots of times to usbs and not mbr/efi problem

I am having sane experience than with IcAros, imposible mission

Can I use Amilator or any other grub to make it bootable?



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Reply #47 on: February 19, 2021, 01:31:08 AM
Can I use Amilator or any other grub to make it bootable?
Amilator has a Linux bootloader, AROS uses its own Native Grub.
Amilator uses a FS-UAE emulator, I was one of the first to install it and boot it with AfA OS and OS4.1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5XaU77f8eg


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Reply #48 on: February 19, 2021, 02:19:14 AM
Hello I agree your Distro but I can not load it on my 6 x86 Pcs... Is it only for VirtualBox?
No it is not only for virtualbox. It can run on any virtualization software and on almost any native hardware.

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I burned lots of times to usbs and not mbr/efi problem
Mentioning USB and burning in the same sentence already makes me very suspicious.

You either burn a cd-rom/dvd or write an USB image. An ISO image <> USB image.

What software do you use to 'burn' your USBs ? And speaking of USBs, what do you mean exactly by that ? Is it a USB dvd-rom drive or a so-called USB-stick (also known as USB-pendrive and/or USB-flash memory).

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I am having sane experience than with IcAros, imposible mission
Please feel free to elaborate on what you exactly did to make things not work for you.

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Can I use Amilator or any other grub to make it bootable?
AROS uses grub, so there is no need to make it bootable simply because it already is.

What most people do seem to miss though is that AROS uses a native filesystem named SFS, and most if not all software that allows you to write an ISO image to a USB-pendrive does not take that fact into account, and therefor such software will always fail to create a proper booting USB-pendrive for you.

The easiest way for end-users to make that work is by booting the ISO image in a virtual machine (using whatever virtualization software), then attach a USB-pendrive to the VM (and into AROS) and run the AROS installer.

The only thing i do not know is if tinyaros provides a script that allows you to install itself onto another device that way. If it does not then you can work around that by manually preparing a USB-pendrive by installing grub and formatting it as SFS and then copy over the files from the tinaros ISO image.


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Reply #49 on: February 19, 2021, 10:05:02 AM
If it does not then you can work around that by manually preparing a USB-pendrive by installing grub and formatting it as SFS and then copy over the files from the tinaros ISO image.
I have tried several times to install the bootloader and format through installAROS and then copied the contents of the ISO, also copied with Dopus4, the result is always the same "MBR Error 3".


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Reply #50 on: February 19, 2021, 12:39:43 PM
salvo

You do good work! It looks great.

I started a minimalist version of AROS 68k for myself.

I called it "AROS Vanilla" with an ice cream cone background.  :)

Good Miker :D

Tiny Aros on Laptop MSI X-600, Intel Core 2 Duo 1,8 Ghz, 3 Gb Ram, SSD Samsung 860 Evo 240 Gb, Nvidia 8400m GS 15" Vesa, WifI Atheros AR5006EG

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Reply #51 on: February 19, 2021, 12:44:51 PM
Hello I agree your Distro but I can not load it on my 6 x86 Pcs... Is it only for VirtualBox?

I burned lots of times to usbs and not mbr/efi problem

I am having sane experience than with IcAros, imposible mission

Can I use Amilator or any other grub to make it bootable?

all you need to do is burn a cd, if your computers do not load distribution and just an incompatibility problem, you can always use virtual machines but i have no experience with that, i am currently using beta version and it works fine, amilator it's another thing it has nothing to do with aros x86, it loads OS3 and OS4

Tiny Aros on Laptop MSI X-600, Intel Core 2 Duo 1,8 Ghz, 3 Gb Ram, SSD Samsung 860 Evo 240 Gb, Nvidia 8400m GS 15" Vesa, WifI Atheros AR5006EG

http://tinyaros.flazio.com/home


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Reply #52 on: February 19, 2021, 10:55:35 PM
revisionated the beta version with ultimate build :)
« Last Edit: February 19, 2021, 11:05:35 PM by salvo »

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Reply #53 on: February 20, 2021, 01:55:14 AM
If it does not then you can work around that by manually preparing a USB-pendrive by installing grub and formatting it as SFS and then copy over the files from the tinaros ISO image.
I have tried several times to install the bootloader and format through installAROS and then copied the contents of the ISO, also copied with Dopus4, the result is always the same "MBR Error 3".
Too less information to be able to address properly.


USB-pendrive ? size > 128 GB or even > 32 GB or > 8 GB (restrictions on some very old BIOS) ? Do you have it manually partitioned or put a MBR on it manually ?


The usual way: create VM, boot AROS iso, insert pendrive, start installaros, wipedisk, remove-pendrive, reboot aros VM, insert pendrive, start installaros, use existing Aros partitions and proceed with installing AROS.


Don't use a second work partition, or specify a size for the boot partition at your first try.


Wipe disk, then installing grub manually should be enough but then you still need to copy the files from a particular distro manually.


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Reply #54 on: February 20, 2021, 09:27:35 AM
The usual way: create VM, boot AROS iso, insert pendrive, start installaros, wipedisk, remove-pendrive, reboot aros VM, insert pendrive, start installaros, use existing Aros partitions and proceed with installing AROS.
I don't talk about "installing AROS" never had problems to do it :)

I wanted to create a Pendrive "to" install AROS

I have done more votlte the procedure you mentioned with more Pendrive and never worked, the same Pendrive work perfectly if I install AROS


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Reply #55 on: February 20, 2021, 02:26:16 PM
The usual way: create VM, boot AROS iso, insert pendrive, start installaros, wipedisk, remove-pendrive, reboot aros VM, insert pendrive, start installaros, use existing Aros partitions and proceed with installing AROS.
I don't talk about "installing AROS" never had problems to do it :)
As long as you do that to a USB pendrive....

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I wanted to create a Pendrive "to" install AROS
.. then you are doing exactly that  :)

Once you have 'installed' AROS to the pendrive, you can then boot that pendrive natively on your machine and start the installaros tool .... to  install aros again (to another device).

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I have done more votlte the procedure you mentioned with more Pendrive and never worked, the same Pendrive work perfectly if I install AROS
Right now i interpret your sentence as: "I have done this procedure (installing AROS to a pendrive as i magorium described) many times with multiple different pendrives and this never worked for me, but the same pendrive works perfectly if i install AROS to that pendrive (which is exactly the same procedure as i magorium described)"

I am aware that your native language isn't English, so please forgive me for saying so but, i am unable to make any sense of that sentence as i am currently able to interpreted it. If you are unable to express it in detail in the English language then please feel free to write things in your native tongue so that i am able to use a translation service.

But whatever you wanted to say, afaik this does not account for you receiving a MBR error-code 3.


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Reply #56 on: February 20, 2021, 03:25:33 PM
The MBR code comes out in one of many attempts, Installing AROS on pendrivers or external USB HDs is not a problem for me, watch my two attached videos:

What I would like to do is what RUFUS or other programs do to "burn" an ISO

I have enough experience on AMiGA OS and AROS OS and I think I've done all the possible tests, maybe my Pendrivers are not suitable at hardware level !

Install AROS USB Pendrive
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o_U768O_hgnMnLwVZq1Y-xez5wVfqoMm/view

Install AROS USB External Hard Disk
https://youtu.be/kvI9g4tHZAA





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Reply #57 on: February 22, 2021, 02:07:21 PM
new stable release uploading :D

Tiny Aros on Laptop MSI X-600, Intel Core 2 Duo 1,8 Ghz, 3 Gb Ram, SSD Samsung 860 Evo 240 Gb, Nvidia 8400m GS 15" Vesa, WifI Atheros AR5006EG

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Reply #58 on: February 22, 2021, 09:45:12 PM
The MBR code comes out in one of many attempts, Installing AROS on pendrivers or external USB HDs is not a problem for me, watch my two attached videos:
You keep writing in riddles my friend  :)

I have watched those videos and they are (more or less) showing what i also do to prepare a pendrive. The only thing that i can see is in that in one of those video's you explicitly specify the size of the work partition (which i do not specify for the sake of keeping the process as clean as possible), and in the other you have an addition fat partition. Both can (under certain conditions) influence the boot-process.

Unfortunately neither of those two video's show me the actual native boot-process where you experienced a MBR boot-error. Neither am i able to see in those video's what the AROS installer actually created on the pendrive when you finished the installer (how does the partition (or partitions) look like after installation, for example by viewing the layout, for example, with (g)parted.

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What I would like to do is what RUFUS or other programs do to "burn" an ISO
Yes, i understand that you wish to have such a thing but, that won't help you when you experience a MBR boot-error when you boot either an external HD (connected through usb) or pendrive native on your machine, simply because the root cause for your experienced error will not be taken away with software like RUFUS.

Tools like RUFUS are highly overrated, and can't currently be used with AROS. I am investigating how to create a hybrid grub ISO that works for all circumstances, but unfortunately is a slow process for me at the moment. In theory a correct created hybrid ISO can be 'burned' to a pendrive and boot AROS as intended.

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I have enough experience on AMiGA OS and AROS OS and I think I've done all the possible tests, maybe my Pendrivers are not suitable at hardware level !
I have literally tried with the cheapest of the cheapest of pendrives (not fake ones though), and i only experienced one failure with an Integral pendrive. Once AROS was finished with installing grub the pendrive was completely ruined, and there was not a tool in the world that was able to resurrect the pendrive. This was not caused by AROS but due to faulty system logic that was  present on the pendrive).

It was just broken so, i returned it to the store. I was lucky there because the store had just started selling Integral hardware and as a result were very keen on keeping their (and Integral's) reputation high, so if i could show them my pendrive was literally broken i could swap it for another one. I declined that swap offer, and explained to them that i had lost many valuable files (AROS is very valuable to me  ;D ) because of the integral pendrive being faulty and so they offered me a refund and some hush-hush-money (which i accepted).

But, the real issue here for you is that if you claim that you experience a MBR boot-error code, that this can be related to many other factors that you probably did not already consider. For example, even if the hardware i test is reluctant to boot AROS, i then literally tear out all hardware that is able to influence things, flash a custom BIOS or otherwise.

Another reason for me to think there goes something wrong at your end is that (if i remember correctly) you wrote that you experienced the MBR boot error-code on different machines. You could of course be very unfortunate in the choice of your hardware, but i personally do not believe in such coincidence.

So that leaves only one route to take, and that is to figure out what exactly goes wrong at your end. A "It does not work", is not a valid option/reason in my book  ;)


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Reply #59 on: February 23, 2021, 01:00:12 AM
You keep writing in riddles my friend  :)
Thanks for the reply, no there are no puzzles, "MBR code" comes out when I "do not" extract the pendrive, if I remove the pendrive after formatting it and insert it then I get a black screen with a blinking dash

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I have watched those videos and they are (more or less) showing what i also do to prepare a pendrive. The only thing that i can see is in that in one of those video's you explicitly specify the size of the work partition (which i do not specify for the sake of keeping the process as clean as possible), and in the other you have an addition fat partition. Both can (under certain conditions) influence the boot-process.
In that video I split the Hardisk to leave space for a FAT32 partition to share with the PC, as shown at the end of the video, however I didn't use "Gparted" but "AOMEI Partition Assistant".

The old videos posted did not give me problems both the Pendrive and the Hardisk worked perfectly on my PCs

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I am investigating how to create a hybrid grub ISO that works for all circumstances, but unfortunately is a slow process for me at the moment. In theory a correct created hybrid ISO can be 'burned' to a pendrive and boot AROS as intended.

Yes thank you, that's what I wanted to have :)

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I have literally tried with the cheapest of the cheapest of pendrives (not fake ones though), and i only experienced one failure with an Integral pendrive. Once AROS was finished with installing grub the pendrive was completely ruined, and there was not a tool in the world that was able to resurrect the pendrive. This was not caused by AROS but due to faulty system logic that was  present on the pendrive).

I've been able to resurrect some pendrives with some special tools found by VID/PID discovered by ChipGenius.
I have also found a tool able to delete the small partition that some pendrives have "undeletable" this partition is seen by the PC as if it was a CDROM, this tool also lets you create partitions CDROM