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AROS.. bad organization.. useless Money on Power2People
« on: June 20, 2019, 05:26:25 PM »
The Organization of AROS is bad.. no one has responsability.. Power2People is almost useless and broken. A Wonder this came that far.. I tend to donate to Paolo  and Icaros Desktop directly.. I wish there was more Structure within AROS Land.. and somebody or better we would organize better!

AROS is condemned to death.. Amiga is dying out.. young people don't know Amiga..and Amiga never managed to attract new Users again..We are dying out...Amigaland missed the entire Point of keeping attracting new People!
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Re: AROS.. bad organization.. useless Money on Power2People
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2019, 06:10:32 PM »
The Organization of AROS is bad.. no one has responsability.. Power2People is almost useless and broken. A Wonder this came that far.. I tend to donate to Paolo  and Icaros Desktop directly.. I wish there was more Structure within AROS Land.. and somebody or better we would organize better!

AROS is condemned to death.. Amiga is dying out.. young people don't know Amiga..and Amiga never managed to attract new Users again..We are dying out...Amigaland missed the entire Point of keeping attracting new People!


As much as Paolo's work is to be appreciated I personally donate directly to the AROS developers when I can afford to.    Here's my reasoning.  Without the core developers, we wouldn't have an OS for a distro to be based on. 

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Re: AROS.. bad organization.. useless Money on Power2People
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2019, 06:22:03 PM »
Well the publicity of the AROS Core Developers is bad!

Let's make AROS exciting again!

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Re: AROS.. bad organization.. useless Money on Power2People
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2019, 03:03:39 AM »
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Re: AROS.. bad organization.. useless Money on Power2People
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2019, 05:23:01 PM »
but I don't think the scene outside of aros is any better,but I do not think that the scene outside aros is better, maybe on power2people there are projects that no one wants to do, horewer I do not know if I'm wrong there was a redimentation on the dev that deal with the core
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Re: AROS.. bad organization.. useless Money on Power2People
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2019, 01:01:40 AM »
you have to understand that there are not many resources, and to be satisfied with what there is and maybe collaborate

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Re: AROS.. bad organization.. useless Money on Power2People
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2019, 02:24:59 PM »
The Organization of AROS is bad.. no one has responsability.. Power2People is almost useless and broken. A Wonder this came that far.. I tend to donate to Paolo  and Icaros Desktop directly.. I wish there was more Structure within AROS Land.. and somebody or better we would organize better!

AROS is condemned to death.. Amiga is dying out.. young people don't know Amiga..and Amiga never managed to attract new Users again..We are dying out...Amigaland missed the entire Point of keeping attracting new People!


As much as Paolo's work is to be appreciated I personally donate directly to the AROS developers when I can afford to.    Here's my reasoning.  Without the core developers, we wouldn't have an OS for a distro to be based on.


if anyone wants to take up a collection to get Nick a M.2 drive go ahead he's got a new board and chip to get him started.

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Re: AROS.. bad organization.. useless Money on Power2People
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2019, 07:09:28 PM »
What type of m.2 does he need? SATA or Nvme?

I could send him one if he is an aros developer I wouldn't mind helping in that way. I work as a computer technician. Let me know if I can help.

What motherboard does he have specifically? What is the intended operating system?

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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2019, 08:02:54 PM »
It's this board.   https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-B450-PLUS/specifications/

And sorry Nick is Kalamatee so yes he is a developer. :D

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Re: AROS.. bad organization.. useless Money on Power2People
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2019, 10:24:19 PM »
the scene is so tiny, after a few minutes or a few posts in forums you can discover whom to donate to. if the scene was bigger and it wasnt just single individuals willing to develop, test, support and donate, then this subject would be warranted. the structure about how to do that would be a priority. and it is an issue, yet not a top one in a current situation.

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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2019, 12:11:26 AM »
Kalamatee is who we are talking about. Got it.

I just built a new system using a Gigabyte Z390 M and a core i7 with a 1TB Nvme m.2 ssd. It's super fast. An AMD Ryzen board is very cost effective.

I'll try to contact him directly to see if I can help.

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Re: AROS.. bad organization.. useless Money on Power2People
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2019, 09:22:09 PM »
I think the topic is quite right.
I stoped to like the idea of  Power2People many years ago. I put a lot of money there, most projects where never taken, or often never completed. I much more like to find a developer and collect
money asked to do a project. This worked a lot of times with good results.
 
I followed and been involved in AROS the last 14 years.
Activity been up and down. What I can say is that last 3 years been real bad.
Almost everyone left.
Why is that?
First of all tech. move to fast. There was a time that NG Amiga could keep
up with modern computing but that time is over.
Bad organization is also one reason. AROS did not have any clear leader.
In that way most worked on whatever they liked. In an open source world
that is often the case anyway.
Some got angry since they did not have the same idea about what AROS should be and left.
AROS is quite complete regarding the main goal. It is not that much bugs or
missing features.

Why did AROS never attract more users?

Lack of drivers.
Lack of native or good software.
Lack of 64-bit distribution, software.
Lack of the Amiga name.
Lack of legacy 68k Amiga support.

Most that develop for AROS does that on a machine where they can run
AROS hosted or in a VM-player. Even most users run AROS that way.
All the reasons for that is partly explained already. Problem now is
that the machine they use is 64-bit.

Where are we now?

As most of you know Michael Schulz is working on the ARM port. That project is very interesting since that platform is cheap regarding hardware and there is room for another open source OS.

With AmigaOS 68k getting old there is room for AROS 68k.

AROS must focus on 64-bit so that version can work as good as the abi v.0 32-bit version.
It is not that far away from it. As I understand there are problems with the native development
suite.
 
I'm quite sure that if AROS could run 68k software, games in a way that would seam almost seamless it would be interesting to a lot of people.
It would be a bridge between legacy and a more powerful computer.

Forget about a system where you can do everything. Don't ask for office for AROS or pro. music or 3D software. It is just stupid to use on a platform that don't have memory protection. Forget about a  secure system.

AROS can succeed as a gaming, video, emulation, demo platform with a focus on retro stuff.
I see no reason why we could not have a youtube player but downloading stuff on AROS can be quite dangerous. It should be restricted like it is on lets say other gaming platforms like PS4. Web-browsing can be done from almost anywhere these days. I don't see why it would be so important to have on AROS. It is kind of crazy I'm saying this since the lack of a mothern web-browser is why I sold my Amiga 4000 in  the first place. Things change ;)

I have big hopes for AROS for Pi and when it is released I hope the Pi community will embrace it.
It is kind of our only hope. Not only for AROS but for the future of Amiga like platform.

Amiga 68k is quite big but that is not for the future, even if the Vampire project could change that.
I just don't think that is very likely.   

If it was up to me I would take lots of the money from Power2People and get o1i to port latest version of WinUAE running on AROS 64-bit and AROS for arm. He already had a version of WinUAE running that was called Janus-UAE2. It needs to be recompiled and there are still lot's to be worked on there.

http://o1i.blogspot.com/

I learned through the years that what matters the most is the Amiga 68k classic support. 
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2019, 11:53:04 PM »
Whereas I agree with nikos in some areas I'm not sure I like to title of this thread. It seems to focus on the negative. Why not start a new topic about "What Could AROS Become" and instead focus on what we have now and what is needed for future.

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Re: AROS.. bad organization.. useless Money on Power2People
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2019, 12:02:45 AM »
I think it's all in the hands of those who work at the system, for now we go on with abiv0 that I would say is nothing
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