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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello, I'm back...
« Last post by trekiej on Today at 02:11:31 AM »
Welcome back, I have been trying to buy as much as I can to support the Amiga world.
Development (General) / Re: SMP Update?
« Last post by trekiej on Today at 02:02:59 AM »
Me too, come on 2019.
Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello, I'm back...
« Last post by LuKeJerry on December 18, 2018, 10:24:13 PM »
Welcome back Luke. Nice to see you :)

Thanks Niko! Nice to see you're still around n' rocKing with AspireOS :)

Development (General) / Re: SMP Update?
« Last post by ntromans on December 18, 2018, 08:39:43 PM »
I think I would be happy to have a Raspberry Pi 3b+ with smp and all drivers.

That would be a brilliant little machine - fingers crossed this actually comes to pass in the new year.

Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello, I'm back...
« Last post by ntromans on December 18, 2018, 08:32:43 PM »
Oh yes, silent computers are very nice. The hard drive in my Samsung netbook recently died, and I decided to replace it with a 0.5 TB SSD, which I'm pleased to say gave me no probelms in setting up with AROS. The original drive was hardly noisy, but I've been pleasantly suprised at how much I notice its complete silence. As a bonus, it's also helped battery life too.


General Chat / Re: ARexx, OORexx, NetRexx & Rebol R3
« Last post by hth313 on December 18, 2018, 08:13:12 PM »
RUST sounds like a good language in place of C++ to bond nicely with Assembly at the lowest levels. If the Amiga 3.1 source were translated into RUST, would that not make it a new piece of work according to the 15% difference engineering principle? And thus technically it could be an Open Source "original" work?

It is not practical to take OS 3.1 and rewrite the C parts in Rust. First of all there are assembly language code in 3.1 that you cannot just take, it would violate the copyright. Second, if you where to rewrite it in Rust (translate), then you essentially end up with AROS written in Rust, and how many years have been spent on developing AROS so far?

Python is very popular, and it sounds pretty good for the general purpose. Not sure it quite deserves to be called excellent? Is it that good that keeps with the Amiga spirit? A bit of popularity wouldn't go astray for a change of pace ;-)

Rebol is written by Carl Sassenrath, the father of Amiga's multitasking. It sounds excellent. So if it really is fit for purpose and not just exageration, then it seems part of our heritage to use it. And R3 of Rebol sounds very fit for purpose to do an "Amiga DE" networked ecosystem type of thing.

Does anyone know if Rebol has JIT? Or plans for it if not currently implemented?

Where would LUA fit in as far as the general public go? Should it be a sponsored part, or just another thing you can do if you are interested?
OORexx and NetRexx are sounding like out in the cold as far as going forward.

If we look back to the old days (1970-80), a computer always came with a langauge with the intention that you could program it. This was often BASIC (I would have wished they would have picked Forth, but that is another discussion). All "home" computers were like that. When the Amiga arrived, that thinking was still very much present, which is why it was so important to have a language come with it (Microsoft BASIC). I remember when the Amiga (1000) was introduced that the graphics, sound and multitasking was the big thing. It was like coming from the future and blew everything away. In addition to this, there was also a strong thinking about all the languages you could use on it.

With the IBM PC and Macintosh, this thinking changed as people wanted to use their computers and not program it. Thus, application software and aimed for offices, for productivity.

The Amiga and other computers also came with programs to buy and hopefully "the killer app". But here there was (still) a stronger thinking that you should program it.

Today we get a computer with an operating system with a lot of things bundled with it, just look at anything like Linux, macOS or Windows. Loads of software and colourful icons/launchers to start the programs. Then you may add on some professional productivity on your own. There is not much thinking about languages anymore.

The Raspberry Pi is a bit different here in that it is supposed to be tinkered with and programmed, mainly for kids. The languages of choice seems to be Python and Scratch.

The Amiga originally had its Microsoft BASIC, but it was a dead end. Along came ARexx which became the language for the Amiga, which also had the ability to be used as a scripting glue language. You did not grow out of it even if you switched to a more "serious" language, you could still have it for as making your developed app customized by the end user.

What I am getting at here is that the thinking of computers have changed a lot since the era of the Amiga. But not everything has to be the same. Look at the Raspberry Pi which has a different thinking. Play with it, program it, connect it and have fun. Maybe we should think about where we want AROS to be. Is it a replacement OS for the Amiga, for some old people that have not passed away yet and that cannot let go
of the past? Should it try to compete with the main operating systems with a lot of apps? Maybe it would be better to look at tinkering market, much what RPi is used for? I can see that I could want to make things to interact with the world and do that on a small RPi/AROS box.

Getting back to topic (about languages). I think having a decent range of well supported programming languages could be a key part for AROS. ARexx is well established and should stay, Python is popular, but there is a long list to choose from, Rust, Golang, Scheme, Lisp, Lua and so on, just pick some (few) that are suitable for the platform and try to make them work well.

As I mentioned Lua, I think Lua is what should be picked today over ARexx if we where starting out fresh. Now we already have ARexx, so it has a bit less of a need. However, Lua is a multi-paradigm language that can act as a glue language and it is fairly light weight. I think it fits in quite nicely as an alternative to Python and ARexx.
Help / Re: Problem with my computers, which computer to choose?
« Last post by sabbate on December 18, 2018, 06:16:17 PM »
Thanks Paolone I try to check the new solutions introduced that cause problems with my computers


All the best
Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello, I'm back...
« Last post by nikos on December 18, 2018, 11:42:54 AM »
Welcome back Luke. Nice to see you :)
Introduce Yourself / Hello, I'm back...
« Last post by LuKeJerry on December 18, 2018, 11:19:47 AM »
... as I just couldn't stay away from AROS (-;

I'm spending more time with old Amiga hardware these days, but I'm finishing setting up a silent* AMIGA 3000D with RTG, so I plan to test AROS-68K on it.


// LuKeJerry

* - for hardware curious: A3000D with BuddhaIDE (to use CF cards instead of the noisy SCSI HD), 9dB NOCTUA fan on the power supply to reduce fan-noise, VA2000 RTG card from Lukas "mntmn", stock 68030 16Mhz (overclocked to 25) and 16 MB FastRam on a SIM-ZIP adapter.
Development (General) / Re: SMP Update?
« Last post by PurpleMelbourne on December 18, 2018, 11:18:16 AM »
Vampire will be out with SMP at some point. But they don't know if there will be an OS to use it.

I hope SMP AROS is out within a few months.
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