AROS Exec

Development => Development (General) => Topic started by: AMIGASYSTEM on November 28, 2018, 05:53:43 PM

Title: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on November 28, 2018, 05:53:43 PM
Because the 68K AROS libraries are not compatible with Amiga OS3 68k ???  while the opposite is not :o
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: aha on November 29, 2018, 09:44:14 AM
Because the 68K AROS libraries are not compatible with Amiga OS3 68k ???  while the opposite is not :o
Which incompatibilities do you mean in detail? Which kind of software problems on AROS68k do you have and want to get solved?
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on November 29, 2018, 05:56:52 PM
No AROS 68k library runs on OS3.x AMiGA, while OS3.x libraries run on AROS 68k.

Example, if you replace some OS3.x libraries with those of AROS 68k, OS Amiga no longer works

Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: aha on November 29, 2018, 06:10:13 PM
No AROS 68k library runs on OS3.x AMiGA, while OS3.x libraries run on AROS 68k.

Example, if you replace some OS3.x libraries with those of AROS 68k, OS Amiga no longer works
Isn‘t that, what ArosVision was doing?  :o Do you have an example?
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on November 29, 2018, 06:27:08 PM
I'm not talking about ArosVision but about AROS 68k that includes new native libraries, if you try to use on an OS3 you'll see that they do not work. Example try to replace the Icon.library of AROS 68k on OS3.9 and you'll see that OS3.9 will not start anymore.

This is AROS 68k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJOcDiCZRoc

Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: paolone on November 29, 2018, 07:18:55 PM
AFAIR It's AROS 68K that is compatible with AmigaOS 3.1, not necessarily also vice-versa.
You can run AOS3 things on AROS 68K, not necessarily the contrary. AFA-OS, indeed, replaces some AmigaOS components with AROS ones. Maybe you should ask his author to help you.
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on November 29, 2018, 07:41:18 PM
Paul, I'm not talking about AfA-OS, I'm talking about OS3.x in general, apart from the AROS 68k native applications that will never work on OS3 because of the missing "stdc.library" on this system, many libraries are also not supported by OS3.x.
In practice, nothing of AROS 68k native is compatible with OS3.x, in practice they are two completely different systems, as mentioned on the contrary, many new OS3 applications, on the other hand, work on AROS 68x.

Paolo AfA-OS is not an independent system and a normal OS3.9 with the addition of a small extension that allows to improve the graphics, a bit like Dopus5 Magellan but less invasive because the System and the Workbench remain standard

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Paolo non parlo di AfA-OS, parlo di OS3.x in generale, a parte le Applicazioni native AROS 68k che non funzioneranno mai su OS3 per via della "stdc.library" mancante su questo sistema, anche molte le librerie non sono supportate da OS3.x.
In pratica nulla di AROS 68k nativo è compatibile con OS3.x, in pratica sono due sistemi completamente diversi, come detto al contrario molte applicazioni OS3 anche di nuova concezione invece funzionano su AROS 68x.

Paolo AfA-OS non è un sistema indipendente e un normale OS3.9 con l'aggiunta di una piccola estensione che permette di migliorare la grafica, un po' come Dopus5 Magellan ma meno invasivo perchè il Sistema e il Workbench restano standard
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: aha on November 29, 2018, 08:07:37 PM
Example try to replace the Icon.library of AROS 68k on OS3.9 and you'll see that OS3.9 will not start anymore.
The icon.library in AROS is not complete! That is an incompatibility that is in general caused by the not yet supported icon types!

AFAIK ArosVision was a mix of AOS3 and AROS that works on WinUAE. I could not take a look at your video though...
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on November 29, 2018, 08:34:07 PM
ArosVision is not ARSOS 68k, it's two different systems,AROS 68k is a modern and fast system with new native system applications (watch the video), it is not only the Icon.library that is incompatible, there are many others.
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: wawa on November 29, 2018, 10:07:27 PM
im not sure i understand the complaint. aros modules may be in general dependent on aros libs, even on m68k, becaus e they provide aros functionality, amiga sdks doesn't secure. if they weren't, they should be considered a proper binary compatible port to amiga-m68k. but no such claim has been lifted so far, even if i personally would support that idea. we are trying to get the best of worlds, amiga, aros, amigalike-ng and the current standards, but please sont take this for granted all the time.
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on November 29, 2018, 10:39:33 PM
I did not understand what you said, but if you try to replace the asl.library on OS 3.9 with that of AROS 68k, you will see that on OS3.9 no shell or request can be opened
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: aha on November 29, 2018, 10:54:11 PM
Is the problem the same on plain AOS3.1? I ask because AROS should be as compatible as possible to AOS3.1 not AOS3.9... Sorry, but even that will not be 100% possible.
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on November 29, 2018, 11:03:45 PM
Tested the asl.library AROS 68k  with OS 3.1 and I get the same result, not supported, see screenshot
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: aha on November 29, 2018, 11:28:32 PM
I can not help further.  :(

And according to this site there is still a lot to do to make AROS68k fully compatible:
https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/68k_support/Developer/Libraries

I don‘t know though, if it is 100% the actual status. And I doubt it is worth all the trouble...
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on November 30, 2018, 12:07:00 AM
Thank you very much, i was not wrong then?

I would have liked to bring the intuiton.library on AfA-OS to move the windows off the screen as you do on AROS 68k (see screenshot)

This is my OS3.9 + AfA-OS: https://youtu.be/LPVhDsAkkbg
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: wawa on November 30, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
again. aros m68k is not a port of aros to amigaos3. there is a reason afa os has been a separate effort. aros modules have most likely aros dependencies, not available on amiga. while it may be possible to improve on it in certain cases, it is not in scope of aros.

if every os module (library, whatsoever) was replacable and working on os3 and vice versa, aros would have to be 1:1 copy of os3 without improvements.
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: wawa on November 30, 2018, 01:32:27 PM
btw. when bernd was working on afa os he was also trying to port aros intuition in order to achieve the functionality of moving windows outta the screen on amiga. but apparently it was too difficult. afaos patches some amiga libraries with aros counterparts. but in order to remove that particular limitation you need to patch intuition module in rom itself. it can be done preparing a custom patched rom image and mapping it instead of the original. you can use power windows (it contains instructions how to do that) and i have done that using powerwindows, patched custom kickstart and afa os for several years.
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: paolone on November 30, 2018, 02:56:07 PM
again. aros m68k is not a port of aros to amigaos3. there is a reason afa os has been a separate effort. aros modules have most likely aros dependencies, not available on amiga. while it may be possible to improve on it in certain cases, it is not in scope of aros.

if every os module (library, whatsoever) was replacable and working on os3 and vice versa, aros would have to be 1:1 copy of os3 without improvements.
Where is the "like" button?
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: Ball000 on November 30, 2018, 02:58:12 PM
BTW the disk-based improved intuition.library in AmigaOS 3.1.4 is said to provide this functionality too. I don't know if this improved library works alone in a 3.1 roms+system environment.
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on November 30, 2018, 04:24:42 PM
@ Ball000
We confirm the intuition.library v45 of OS 3.1.4 has this functionality

@wawa
Powerwindows it is not compatible with OS 3.9
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: wawa on November 30, 2018, 05:42:20 PM
Quote
Powerwindows it is not compatible with OS 3.9

then i must have done something wrong using it alongside for several years, as i have already mentioned.
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on November 30, 2018, 06:35:34 PM
Also I used it in the past on OS 3.9 without AfA-OS, did you use it on OS 3.9 + AfA-OS + RTG? maybe now I try again, it may be that I did something wrong!
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on November 30, 2018, 07:05:54 PM
I found out that it's not AfA-OS's fault, on a basic OS 3.9 + AfA-OS installation, PowerWindows works well, I have to find the culprit.
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on November 30, 2018, 09:18:00 PM
wawa thank you for stimulating me, i was able to install PowerWindowsNG on AfA-OS in the most optimal way
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on December 04, 2018, 07:02:34 PM
Ok perfect updated AfA-OS with moving windows out screen, New AmigaAmp, Floppy and CD removal from WinUAE without using GUI config, see new video, and much more ;)

https://youtu.be/tgEHQCy4GM4
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 22, 2019, 08:21:38 PM
Finally an IconEditor 68k is about to manage the new Dual-PNG icons and not only on OS3, it is a port of the OS4 version, the developer kindly wanted to fulfill my old request made some time ago. Currently on OS3 you can only edit Dual-PNG icons, you can add the Glow, change images on both faces, and use all the tools available on the GUI. The only flaw at the moment is not being able to manage or save the icons in OS4.1 format (the loading is done but some functions are missing to perfect the operation), my friend Peter author of Icon.library is working on it and soon you can do this too. The same problem for the native AROS icons (those of the "Nightly Builds") that the OS4.1 version can not handle (the OS3 version does), these are icons that have a first image in the AR4 format of OS4 and a second image in the OS 3.5 and OS4 palette format. The Dual-PNG MOS icons on the other hand are fully supported, as well as the old OS3 Icons of any kind that can be changed and converted to Dual-PNG

 HERE (http://eab.abime.net/zone/Test%20IconEdit%2068k.avi) Video Test AfA-OS showing the above:

Screenshot IconEditor on AROS 68k
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 02, 2019, 12:33:50 AM
Someone has installed AROS 68k on Vampire V4 !
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=5&note=18209&x=8 (http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=5&note=18209&x=8)
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 02, 2019, 05:30:13 PM
(https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=98.0;attach=91;image)



Amiga Port DOSBox AGA and DosBox RTG v0.74

DOSBox OS£ RTG also works perfectly on AROS 68k for both graphic and audio


Test Video: DosBox v0.74 RTG AROS 68k (https://youtu.be/oFrdFLl0ZY8)

Test Video: DosBox v0.74 OS3 RTG (https://tinyurl.com/y8gf7p8z)


DOSBox RTG

DOSBox AGA v4.7: Download (http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/DOSBox_AGA)
DOSBox RTG v4.7: Download (http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/DOSBox_RTG)

DOSBox AGA:

Requirements:
1) An AGA Amiga with a fast 68060 processor
2) AHI installed (v4.18 recommended)
3) 3.1 ROMS (3.0 ROMS may cause it to run slowly)
4) Some old PC games or demos

Features:
* AGA SDL port
 * MIDI support
 * AHI Sound support
 * Fullscreen and window mode support


DOSBox RTG:

Requirements:
1) An RTG Amiga with a fast 68040 processor
2) AHI installed (v4.18 recommended)
3) 3.1 ROMS (3.0 ROMS may cause it to run slowly)
4) Some old PC games or demos

Features:
 * RTG SDL port
 * MIDI support
 * AHI Sound support
 * Fullscreen and window mode support
Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 18, 2019, 11:31:01 PM
Update DOSBox 68k RTG: http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=62088&d=1550481207

AROS 68: Test Video: https://youtu.be/gQKRx8inJRs

Title: Re: AROS 68k Library
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 04, 2019, 11:12:11 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/vT3WfvBN/Net-Surf3-9.jpg)


NetSurf 3.9dev (Artur Jarosik) OS3/Aros 68k

NetSurf 3.9dev update 03 May 2019, in this version it shows a higher speed and functionality of the application.

http://ami-soft.blogspot.com/ (http://ami-soft.blogspot.com/)

Updated to newest sources
 * New EaglePlayer.rexx script - improved mod playback from modules.pl and modarchive.org
 * Fixed mp4 and mpeg conversion playback from youtube.
 * Updated https certificates file ca-bundle.
 * Updated default.css.
 * Allow one more char in Hotlinks.
 * Fixed double pointer on scroll buttons.
 * Corrected url position on resize.
 * Works on 030 agai

Core changelog :
http://download.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf/releases/ChangeLog.txt (http://download.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf/releases/ChangeLog.txt)