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Title: Cross platform development forum
Post by: deadwood on April 14, 2019, 04:34:11 PM
Hi,

Is there a forum where developers from different platforms (3.1, 4.0, MorphOS, AROS) can be found? I'm not asking for system developers forum, but rather cross platform application developers forum. I remember Olaf created such forum a long time ago, but I can't find it anymore.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: Mazze on April 14, 2019, 09:05:55 PM
http://www.amigacoding.de/
Is it dead?
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: deadwood on April 14, 2019, 09:14:11 PM
Looks dead to me. Any other forum you can recommend?
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: magorium on April 17, 2019, 12:15:19 AM
Hi Krzysztof,

Good to see you're still alive  :)

Looks dead to me.
Yeah  :( Olaf decided to pull the plug (without any notice) when it was becoming clear that the new privacy rules were coming into play. Or at least that was the reason provided at the time.

I have not found something as a replacement myself.

Regards,
Ron.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: cdimauro on April 17, 2019, 07:29:10 AM
The worst thing is that all content was lost: not even the time to make a backup of the posts...
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: salvatore on April 17, 2019, 12:33:46 PM
hi deadwood

a question from those who know nothing about programming, it is easier to update oxygen web or odyssey ?, (for youtube I would like to make an app with the help of allanon (but later, now we are taken with Pdftool).

have a good day
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: wawa on April 17, 2019, 03:26:19 PM
We are meeting on slack. Not only aros but all flavours. However aros is the most active section. Im also workling on odyssey and intend to setup a nightly for it while looking at updating the engine. Simply join us.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: deadwood on April 17, 2019, 07:59:11 PM
@wawa I not a big fan of slack TBH.


@all
If there are no specialized forums, maybe there are sub sections in some well forums? It's hard for me to imagine there are no places where developers who do cross-platform development share their experience. :/
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: wawa on April 17, 2019, 08:36:40 PM
@deadwood

what concerns slack, neither i am. but it works fairly well, better than the dev ml or mail to revive aros development.

however if you happen to find a lively cross amiga dev platform be it forum, ml or whatever, let me know.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: salvatore on April 17, 2019, 08:44:57 PM
@wawa

I thought that the development of Odyssey had stopped, well we'll wait

thank you for all
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: wawa on April 17, 2019, 09:02:39 PM
dont count on me particularly
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: salvatore on April 18, 2019, 12:05:04 AM
sorry wawa I did not understand there is someone who is trying to do something for odyssey or I misunderstood, cmq I understand the situation today and I personally do not pretend anything

hi
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: wawa on April 18, 2019, 12:31:43 PM
im trying. but that doesnt mean i am actually able to do that.
not going into details the current webkit(2?) code base is a huge update in comparison to revision that is used in deadwoods last branch. however the current odyssey is working on i386 abi v1 and it might be worth to make it compile for the audience along with the system.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: deadwood on April 18, 2019, 07:36:41 PM
Ok, if there are no dedicated forums for cross-platform development, what forums are out there that are frequence from developers from different platform? One that comes to my mind is amigaworld.net.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: salvatore on April 18, 2019, 08:51:08 PM
wawa honestly  the current version work fine then through the identification you can wrapped to be able to see some that you can't, I can't enter on one (I need it for work) but it's not a problem because I'm currently stopped, I notice something that even on a core 2 duo at 3 Ghz sometimes it's slow to load pages, but jit java is disabled?
However the important thing is that you are thinking about updating and we hope that you still keep this version (if I have problems using rdesktop and I connect remotely at most)

hi
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: salvatore on April 18, 2019, 08:57:33 PM
deadwood I wanted to thank you personally because you worked hard for what we users have now, and it's not cheap

hi
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: wawa on April 18, 2019, 10:10:45 PM
@deadwood

honestly.. amigaworld is being attended either by dreamers with absolutely no technical competence (whether they realize it or not) or in some rare cases by people with at least some apparent competence who though prefer to take part in lengthy discussions but hardly actually attempting to do anything.
actually there is no forum where active people across amiga platforms meet. even as long as olaf put up his pages as alternative for disfunct utilitybase it has attracted very little audience and mostly aros oriented afair.
so if you look particularly for os3 development especially asm stuff, head back to eab. for limited assistance on os4 development go for amigans.net. for amiga related hardware projects you might consider visiting a1k.org, however youll need either german knowledge or google translator.
im sorry but nothing else comes to my mind, but actually you should know.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: salvatore on April 19, 2019, 01:49:39 AM
also you thanks wawa for support

hi
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: deadwood on April 19, 2019, 08:40:21 PM
@wawa

That's a worrying state of affari. TBH I was just assuming there are sites out there that I'm simply not aware off...
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: wawa on April 19, 2019, 10:45:58 PM
#deadwood
Im not sure how worrying that is but given the attitudes in the community i think it has been pretty expectable. The eab is still doing well with their usual little projects. There is more and more ambicious 68k hardware projects especially in poland and germany. An "official" update to ks3.,1 is being maintained. Aeon hosts some devs and prpjects too, but im a bit sceptic to sign ndas and such. Also morohos gets ahead with their odyssey and such. Just still few people like to be open and share the effort.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: hth313 on April 19, 2019, 10:49:53 PM
Worrying? Amiga is not an entirely healthy platform and it is probably more divided than anything reasonable mainstream.

Both macOS and Windows are single platform (or two for Windows if you count 32 and 64 bit, it is in a transition period).

For UNIX we have several *BSD and Linux variants. They either need massive infrastructure to deliver binaries (Linux), or resort to source distributions (*BSD) for add-on software.

Amiga has four different platforms, and one of them (AROS) supports multiple architectures. Additionally, we have a lots of infighting between the Amiga platform supporters. Add to this that 3 out of 4 Amiga platforms rely on hidden sources, and given the overall sizes of macOS, Windows and UNIX market shares compared to the Amiga family, well I think you know this.

The Amiga forums I have seen either are kind of devoted to a single strain (but they often list different sub-forums) or as with amigaworld.net which seems to sport a variation of different platform users (but leaning towards OS4), people just do not seem to do much development on either platform. We are more like users and dreamers. Kind of what Wawa said.

Perhaps you should pick your favourite forum, like eab which seems to be the most active one. Ask them if they want to create a sub-forum for cross-platform development. I think the Amiga forums may not have thought of it in this angle. Otherwise just go ahead in whatever place you might seem happy with. Do not worry, just do (try) it.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: wawa on April 19, 2019, 10:52:17 PM
Btw kalamatee has just updated aros mesa to V19. Actually i might still need some advice from you on odyssey. Now need to get home and check i386 compile. I have some suspicion where m68k fails.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: wawa on April 19, 2019, 10:57:15 PM
@hth
You might have missed pn that but desdwood was a notable aros developer. Late version of mesa and odyssey ports are his work among others.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: hth313 on April 19, 2019, 11:02:56 PM
@wawa

I know, I have seen his name pop up here and there related to AROS. Hopefully he wants to stay around here too.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: salvatore on April 19, 2019, 11:06:23 PM
wawa in the next editions of icaros (aros) it will be possible to have the new support of mesa ?, and then we speak clear deadwood is a pillar with regards to what we can touch with our hands now
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: wawa on April 19, 2019, 11:12:47 PM
As i said if someone puts an effort into porting it over to abiv0 on trunk. Which might be possible but abiv1 has accumulated many essential upgrades in the meantime, so im not sure if its worth.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: salvatore on April 19, 2019, 11:25:59 PM
yes indeed you are right, it would be more reasonable to think of abiv1 since we are on the finishing line with it
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: deadwood on April 20, 2019, 09:25:30 AM
Btw kalamatee has just updated aros mesa to V19. Actually i might still need some advice from you on odyssey. Now need to get home and check i386 compile. I have some suspicion where m68k fails.

Ok, drop me an email. I see what I can help with.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: deadwood on April 20, 2019, 09:29:17 AM
Otherwise just go ahead in whatever place you might seem happy with. Do not worry, just do (try) it.

Yup, going to sub-forums on some general forums seems to be option for now.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: BSzili on April 21, 2019, 11:20:52 AM
@deadwood

honestly.. amigaworld is being attended either by dreamers with absolutely no technical competence (whether they realize it or not) or in some rare cases by people with at least some apparent competence who though prefer to take part in lengthy discussions but hardly actually attempting to do anything.
actually there is no forum where active people across amiga platforms meet. even as long as olaf put up his pages as alternative for disfunct utilitybase it has attracted very little audience and mostly aros oriented afair.
so if you look particularly for os3 development especially asm stuff, head back to eab. for limited assistance on os4 development go for amigans.net. for amiga related hardware projects you might consider visiting a1k.org, however youll need either german knowledge or google translator.
im sorry but nothing else comes to my mind, but actually you should know.
For MorphOS development related discussions MorphZone (https://morph.zone) is probably the best place to look.
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: Marlon on April 23, 2019, 05:47:20 PM
I started the AmigaPorts / AmigaDev github organization to do joint collaboration on development across the different platforms. The slack grew out of that. The most active and most willing to collaborate so far is WarpOS, OS3 and AROS devs. Got one guy from the OS4 crowd to collaborate.

Otherwise MorphOS people tend to stay at https://morph.zone
OS4 at amiga.org / amigans.net
OS3 at EAB
AROS here

I would like a unified forum as well... But starting yet another forum when there's 5-6 (if not even more) amiga related already. Who's going to bother? :P
Title: Re: Cross platform development forum
Post by: deadwood on April 23, 2019, 07:42:13 PM
I started the AmigaPorts / AmigaDev github organization to do joint collaboration on development across the different platforms.

I found it recently. I applaude your effort :)