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Reply #15 on: December 22, 2020, 09:17:44 PM
Actually, I saw one more project. "Checkmate"

If a standard equipment of acceptable innovation is configured and placed in this Checkmate case,
Could the development of an aros that fully supports this hardware make progress faster?
Please provide links to what you write about. I think a game of chess or a case with light bulbs will not affect the development of AROS in any way.

It is not about Chess :D I know Checkmate project. It is a case to put classic Amiga hardware.

Some tried in the past to sell compatible AROS hardware but sales where to low to continue.

Most people like to run AROS on the hardware they have from before. That is understandable and works good running hosted or in VM-player and that like. Running AROS native is difficult. Not much compatible hardware where you get accelerated gfx, sound, networking etc.
 
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Reply #16 on: December 22, 2020, 09:48:36 PM



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Reply #17 on: December 22, 2020, 09:50:55 PM
Checkmate is just an empty case.  What "standard hardware" would you put in it?

I think the Raspberry Pi 400 looks more promising.

intel i7 basic system. example.



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Reply #18 on: December 22, 2020, 10:35:25 PM

"It is not about Chess :D I know Checkmate project. It is a case to put classic Amiga hardware.

Some tried in the past to sell compatible AROS hardware but sales where to low to continue.

Most people like to run AROS on the hardware they have from before. That is understandable and works good running hosted or in VM-player and that like. Running AROS native is difficult. Not much compatible hardware where you get accelerated gfx, sound, networking etc."

I think aspire os was born out of such a thought. I think I got it now.



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Reply #19 on: December 22, 2020, 11:48:00 PM

"It is not about Chess :D I know Checkmate project. It is a case to put classic Amiga hardware.

Some tried in the past to sell compatible AROS hardware but sales where to low to continue.

Most people like to run AROS on the hardware they have from before. That is understandable and works good running hosted or in VM-player and that like. Running AROS native is difficult. Not much compatible hardware where you get accelerated gfx, sound, networking etc."

I think aspire os was born out of such a thought. I think I got it now.

That is correct :)

I'm the one behind AspireOS. I never sold, or planed to sell any hardware, but when "ACER aspire one 110" got fully supported I wanted to make a distribution, ready set up for it. Steven Jones, the man behind Checkmate sold AROS hardware (Imica I think it was called). With that computer a lot of computers got sound (The HD-Audio driver done by Davy Wentzel that Steven Jones financed).
I thought that with some cheap reference hardware, more users, devs. would be involved.
It kind of did, but not as many as I thought it would.
My explanation for this is this:
Most Amiga users are classic users and they are not interested in anything else.
Amiga users that went for AmigaOS4 or MorphOS stay with that.
Most AROS devs. use the hosted version.
AROS lacked the stability and stable software to be considered good enough for many users.
That said, AROS did at some point have the most stable, fast, advanced web-browser.
 
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Reply #20 on: December 22, 2020, 11:59:40 PM
intel i7 basic system. example.
My second or third generation i7 tower has quad cores with 2 threads per core.  With AROS that would mean 7 threads would sit idle all the time until AROS SMP is bugfixed and completed.  If that's the case, I'd rather have Arix or Haiku rather than Aros.



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Reply #21 on: December 23, 2020, 12:07:04 AM
intel i7 basic system. example.
My second or third generation i7 tower has quad cores with 2 threads per core.  With AROS that would mean 7 threads would sit idle all the time until AROS SMP is bugfixed and completed.  If that's the case, I'd rather have Arix or Haiku rather than Aros.

This is where you do not get it. People like to have Amiga like OS. Haiku or whatever is almost like recommending Windows.


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Reply #22 on: December 23, 2020, 12:22:21 AM
This is where you do not get it. People like to have Amiga like OS. Haiku or whatever is almost like recommending Windows.
  As I'm typing this on my MorphOS PPC Mac Mini, you don't have to tell me about Amiga-like OS's.  I've got all of them.  They are all a disappointment despite the good start they were off to in the mid-90s and onward.

Arix is a hybrid between Linux and Aros.  It leans a little heavier on the Linux side so that it doesn't need new drivers.  I have a lot higher hope for Arix than I ever did for any other Amiga-derived system.  I suspect that the Aros Zune GUI will be lighter-weight than the LXDE desktop running on Peppermint Linux and, best of all, it's memory protected, SMP enabled and Linux compatible to the point that it will probably be good at running software in WebAssembly.  I hope that Arix squashes Ubuntu desktop because the last time I tried installing Ubuntu 20,04.1 it was so heavy that it was no better than Windows anyway.

Anyway, this talk about Linux and Arix is a bit off-topic and ultimately, Aros is dying except for Aros 68k.



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Reply #23 on: December 23, 2020, 12:34:25 AM
This is where you do not get it. People like to have Amiga like OS. Haiku or whatever is almost like recommending Windows.
  As I'm typing this on my MorphOS PPC Mac Mini, you don't have to tell me about Amiga-like OS's.  I've got all of them.  They are all a disappointment despite the good start they were off to in the mid-90s and onward.

Arix is a hybrid between Linux and Aros.  It leans a little heavier on the Linux side so that it doesn't need new drivers.  I have a lot higher hope for Arix than I ever did for any other Amiga-derived system.  I suspect that the Aros Zune GUI will be lighter-weight than the LXDE desktop running on Peppermint Linux and, best of all, it's memory protected, SMP enabled and Linux compatible to the point that it will probably be good at running software in WebAssembly.  I hope that Arix squashes Ubuntu desktop because the last time I tried installing Ubuntu 20,04.1 it was so heavy that it was no better than Windows anyway.

Anyway, this talk about Linux and Arix is a bit off-topic and ultimately, Aros is dying except for Aros 68k.

What is the point Samurai_Crow?
Even on 1 core AROS have the potentional to be many times faster than your PPC mac mini.
That said MorphOS is for sure the best NG Amiga like system right now. Most stable OS, best supported software etc.
Fast CPU is does neither make a great OS. Some software will run faster, some will not. It is all a about requirements.
People make great games running on classic hardware with 7MHz CPU or C64 with 64k RAM.
It is obvious that you enjoy using Amiga like OS since you type from it right now, still you come here and complain about AROS or Amiga like operative systems. You know everything about them, that is great, most of us do. We know the limitations etc. We still love it and have fun with it. It is a hobby.
I agree with you its been a disappointment that Amiga went bankrupt and alternatives been bypassed by far by other Operative System. I'm over that long time ago, just accept it. It is still a lot of fun and good software to play with.
What AROS need is a steady user base that like to see things happen.
That will make developers want to support it. I think if we push the right buttons that could easy happen. We must show that we are alive and that we have some great software.  After ABI v.0 stalled we lost a lot of interest. We need to bring that back! At least I will try to help with that. If it does not happen and die that is sad. Its been almost dead for years now. I agree about that.
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Reply #24 on: December 23, 2020, 07:07:49 AM
Dear friend Nicos. Do not reproach S_Crow. He is more passionate than you and me.

Yes, Amiga has used the hardware to the fullest and most efficiently.

S_Crow, the way it suggests makes sense too. Aros' full use of new technology and doing it wisely, as Amiga did.
In fact, it seems that all people here have hoped for this passion. And he is disappointed that this did not happen.

Amiga was not tied to the old. (C64 was not a sequel AMIGA) used or created new technology. He came up with brand new ideas in software and implemented it.
Since we are trying to keep the soul of Amiga alive, then it is necessary to set targets accordingly.

I appreciate Deadwood knowledge and personality as far as I can see. Maybe it will inform me about these issues.

Couldn't we combine separate efforts around a goal instead of being so divided?

There are people trying to be divided into Arix and other ways that S_crow is talking about. There is a need to get these people together and gather around an idea.

Can't you leave 68k vs behind and combine it into a common goal in Aros x64 architecture?

Because the main reason for these divisions is that the hopes did not come true. this seems obvious.

By the way, I wish you don't get me wrong. I'm just a user in love with the Amiga spirit like you guys.



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Reply #25 on: December 23, 2020, 12:46:55 PM
Anyway, this talk about Linux and Arix is a bit off-topic and ultimately, Aros is dying except for Aros 68k.
Not a good doom, since 68K died long time ago...



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Reply #26 on: December 23, 2020, 01:29:46 PM
I continue to use aros because I enjoy it and it is stimulating for me, odyssey can still be used, certainly in some sites it becomes problematic to do so but currently I do not need to enter, I am sick I have health problems and aros accompanies my days gratifying me lately there has been an important porting that of hollywood designer I thank the author for his effort, then I personally am trying to collaborate with some programmers of the scene to create some applications where aros is lacking at the moment which gratifies me a lot as I said first, I also thank deadwood for the work he is currently doing, guys aros still exists we can touch it with our hands we can have fun with the games brought from the open world, Paolo Besser has created an optimal hosted solution even if you want to use a modern browser and also the software aros without problems, I always opt for the native version is more stimulating for me, what to add i'm just a desktop user and every time i log in to my aros box i do it with a smile :D

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Reply #27 on: December 23, 2020, 05:13:29 PM
Braincure: You are very right about what you say. We all love Amiga and Amiga like systems. This is what we must think about and enjoy. We have this passion together. It is something wonderful and different from the mainstream Operative Systems today.

Salvo: Sad to hear about your health problems. Hope you will get better.
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Reply #28 on: December 23, 2020, 05:16:31 PM
nikos thank you very much

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Reply #29 on: December 23, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
Dear friend Salvo. I hope you are getting better. I wish you health.